we are talking a new vision now obama never said. >> bill: could be amnesty. >> obama never said that working assumption would be we would be something like we had before and they would work from that. >> bill: kirsten, do you object to anything the senator said? anything that he put forth in the guns or the immigration? is there anything n. there that he is doing wrong? >> i think on immigration, it's a starting point and i think that the democrats can work with him. i personally, you know i'm pro-amnesty, of course, i'm going to have issues with what he said. i don't know why do people have to pay fines. >> bill: because they snuck in the country? >> that's ridiculous. i have friends who are of my generation whose parents are immigrants korean, chinese, italian who don't speak any english. why are we doing this? >> bill: get a translator to tell them they have to pay the fine. we can do that. >> i think they should good it know english why have different standards for these people. >> bill: amnesty do whatever they want citizenship with no penalties or anything like that. not going